Wednesday, February 14, 2007
Feel the Love!
U.N. top cop in Kosovo sacked
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20070214-110629-2918r
Ethnic Albanian 'revolutionary' stirs up new wave of dissent in Kosovo
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/14/europe/EU-GEN-Kosovo-Militant-Movement.php
Foreigners inflamed Kosovo protest: UN
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=132692&version=1&template_id=39&parent_id=21
Utah mall shooter was a Bosnian refugee teen
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/nw_nation_world/article/0,1874,ABIL_7961_5351146,00.html
This is a young man who showed one of the first signs of trouble in young men, he did not usually leave his room. I have a feeling this was a severely depressed young man who had made a poor adjustment to life in America. It's very sad.
High school dropout's motive for shootings is mystery
By MATTHEW D. LaPLANTE
February 13, 2007
None of the victims of Sulejman Talovic's killing spree appear to have known the 18-year-old immigrant from Bosnia.
That's unusual for murders. Police say most killers know their victims.
But nobody seems to have known Talovic. He had few, if any, friends in his adopted homeland.
And though his final violent steps through a historic downtown mall are becoming clear, his life and motive remain a mystery.
Neighbors rarely saw the lanky teen, who appeared as a loner and hermit to John Buddensick, who lives a half block away from the northwestern Salt Lake City home Talovic shared with his family, including several younger sisters.
"I'd see the girls all the time," Buddensick said. "But he never came out much. You just never really got to see him."
LaVonda Hardman has lived for 50 years across the street from the Talovic family house. Though Hardman said her neighborhood, near the state Fairpark, is filled with intensely private people, she thought she knew everyone - at least enough to recognize their faces.
"But I didn't know him," Hardman said. "I'd never seen a teenage boy at that home."
Other neighbors said Talovic rarely left his house. And Salt Lake City School District officials said that, after moving from school to school in their system, Talovic quit school shortly after his 16th birthday.
One neighbor said police cars arrived twice at Talovic's home in the past month, although police had no record of any arrests at the residence. A state courts spokeswoman said Talovic had no juvenile court record.
Talovic's parents, Suljo and Sabira, made no public comment on their son. The young man's aunt told reporters gathered outside her slain nephew's home that she was just as confused as anyone about his acts of violence.
"He was a nice boy," Ajka Onerovic said. "We want to know what happened, just like you guys."
Even those in Salt Lake County's Bosnian community professing to know the killer said they knew little about his life in the past few years.
Fehim Mutafic, a fellow Bosnian refugee who lived at the same apartment complex as the Talovics in 1999, recalled the shooter as "a good kid," though he had few specific memories of the boy, who was then about 11 years old.
Elvis Hadzialijagic, owner of Bosna restaurant in South Salt Lake, expressed shock and disbelief that the Trolley Square killer was from his homeland.
Most Bosnian refugees abhor violence, Hadzialijagic said. "We had enough of that."
About 3,100 Bosnians have found safe haven in Utah from the 1992-95 war, which left more than 200,000 people dead and more than 1 million homeless.
"That you would try to find a life somewhere else, and then take a gun and kill. . . . It's unbelievable," Hadzialijagic said.
Like many Bosnians interviewed by The Tribune - including a several who lived within blocks of the Talovic's home - Hadzialijagic didn't know the killer.
Police say the gunman met his first two victims in the parking lot, firing off two rounds as they fell.
"Die, motherf---," Talovic said to them, according to one witness.
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)
The Rush Limbaugh show is doing a bit of the type of inflamatory nonsense that is no help in situations like this. Usually when you see a young person do this sort of thing in the U.S. it has NOTHING whatever to do with politics and EVERYTHING to do with what has been happening at school, which you note he dropped out of. What was going on that he dropped out? Most Bosnians are very education minded. I'm betting on a lethal combination of depression, school bullying, and culture shock. This was awful, bad and wrong but not an act of terror as such.
After I posted the above, I found this on Metafilter:
'Could I enjoy living in Salt Lake City?
http://ask.metafilter.com/56263/Could-non-Mormons-enjoy-living-in-SLC#846873
I think part of the problem is that when refugees are resettled in the States, everyone means well and really wants to help, but there is not nearly the consideration there should be of the cultural differences and how a given community of refugees will react long term to a given community within the States.
I have Mormon friends and have lived in BiH, and I am here to tell you that there's a big cultural gap. This isn't to say it's a gap taht cannot be bridged.
Del Ponte Warns EU Against Resuming Cooperation Talks With Serbia
http://www.playfuls.com/news_10_14158-Del-Ponte-Warns-EU-Against-Resuming-Cooperation-Talks-With-Serbia.html
Kosovo Serbs, clerics urge government to dismiss U.N. Kosovo plan, Cabinet convenes
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/13/europe/EU-GEN-Serbia-Kosovo.php
Bosnia police raid home, office in war crimes hunt
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070212/wl_nm/warcrimes_bosnia_dc
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20070214-110629-2918r
Ethnic Albanian 'revolutionary' stirs up new wave of dissent in Kosovo
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/14/europe/EU-GEN-Kosovo-Militant-Movement.php
Foreigners inflamed Kosovo protest: UN
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=132692&version=1&template_id=39&parent_id=21
Utah mall shooter was a Bosnian refugee teen
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/nw_nation_world/article/0,1874,ABIL_7961_5351146,00.html
This is a young man who showed one of the first signs of trouble in young men, he did not usually leave his room. I have a feeling this was a severely depressed young man who had made a poor adjustment to life in America. It's very sad.
High school dropout's motive for shootings is mystery
By MATTHEW D. LaPLANTE
February 13, 2007
None of the victims of Sulejman Talovic's killing spree appear to have known the 18-year-old immigrant from Bosnia.
That's unusual for murders. Police say most killers know their victims.
But nobody seems to have known Talovic. He had few, if any, friends in his adopted homeland.
And though his final violent steps through a historic downtown mall are becoming clear, his life and motive remain a mystery.
Neighbors rarely saw the lanky teen, who appeared as a loner and hermit to John Buddensick, who lives a half block away from the northwestern Salt Lake City home Talovic shared with his family, including several younger sisters.
"I'd see the girls all the time," Buddensick said. "But he never came out much. You just never really got to see him."
LaVonda Hardman has lived for 50 years across the street from the Talovic family house. Though Hardman said her neighborhood, near the state Fairpark, is filled with intensely private people, she thought she knew everyone - at least enough to recognize their faces.
"But I didn't know him," Hardman said. "I'd never seen a teenage boy at that home."
Other neighbors said Talovic rarely left his house. And Salt Lake City School District officials said that, after moving from school to school in their system, Talovic quit school shortly after his 16th birthday.
One neighbor said police cars arrived twice at Talovic's home in the past month, although police had no record of any arrests at the residence. A state courts spokeswoman said Talovic had no juvenile court record.
Talovic's parents, Suljo and Sabira, made no public comment on their son. The young man's aunt told reporters gathered outside her slain nephew's home that she was just as confused as anyone about his acts of violence.
"He was a nice boy," Ajka Onerovic said. "We want to know what happened, just like you guys."
Even those in Salt Lake County's Bosnian community professing to know the killer said they knew little about his life in the past few years.
Fehim Mutafic, a fellow Bosnian refugee who lived at the same apartment complex as the Talovics in 1999, recalled the shooter as "a good kid," though he had few specific memories of the boy, who was then about 11 years old.
Elvis Hadzialijagic, owner of Bosna restaurant in South Salt Lake, expressed shock and disbelief that the Trolley Square killer was from his homeland.
Most Bosnian refugees abhor violence, Hadzialijagic said. "We had enough of that."
About 3,100 Bosnians have found safe haven in Utah from the 1992-95 war, which left more than 200,000 people dead and more than 1 million homeless.
"That you would try to find a life somewhere else, and then take a gun and kill. . . . It's unbelievable," Hadzialijagic said.
Like many Bosnians interviewed by The Tribune - including a several who lived within blocks of the Talovic's home - Hadzialijagic didn't know the killer.
Police say the gunman met his first two victims in the parking lot, firing off two rounds as they fell.
"Die, motherf---," Talovic said to them, according to one witness.
(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, www.shns.com.)
The Rush Limbaugh show is doing a bit of the type of inflamatory nonsense that is no help in situations like this. Usually when you see a young person do this sort of thing in the U.S. it has NOTHING whatever to do with politics and EVERYTHING to do with what has been happening at school, which you note he dropped out of. What was going on that he dropped out? Most Bosnians are very education minded. I'm betting on a lethal combination of depression, school bullying, and culture shock. This was awful, bad and wrong but not an act of terror as such.
After I posted the above, I found this on Metafilter:
'Could I enjoy living in Salt Lake City?
http://ask.metafilter.com/56263/Could-non-Mormons-enjoy-living-in-SLC#846873
I think part of the problem is that when refugees are resettled in the States, everyone means well and really wants to help, but there is not nearly the consideration there should be of the cultural differences and how a given community of refugees will react long term to a given community within the States.
I have Mormon friends and have lived in BiH, and I am here to tell you that there's a big cultural gap. This isn't to say it's a gap taht cannot be bridged.
Del Ponte Warns EU Against Resuming Cooperation Talks With Serbia
http://www.playfuls.com/news_10_14158-Del-Ponte-Warns-EU-Against-Resuming-Cooperation-Talks-With-Serbia.html
Kosovo Serbs, clerics urge government to dismiss U.N. Kosovo plan, Cabinet convenes
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/13/europe/EU-GEN-Serbia-Kosovo.php
Bosnia police raid home, office in war crimes hunt
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070212/wl_nm/warcrimes_bosnia_dc
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Yet another sad Bosnian fate. I feel sorry for the victims, I feel sorry for the Bosnian boy, for his parents, who left Bosnia wishing better life for their children.
Whatever motivated Sulejman Talovic to go out and mow people down, there is no excuse for it whatsoever. Depression, if that is what it was, is not justification for killing innocent people. I can just imagine how different the spin would have been had this boy been a Serbian Orthodox immigrant to this country. Even now, my money is on the probability that somehow Serbs will be blamed even for this criminal act. The truth is there are hints of it already even in the articles that make sure they don't mention his Muslim background. Time will tell why he did this, but we have no more reason to sympathize with him than we had with the Columbine killers. There is no excuse for this.
@ Blackbird,To look at why something may have happened isn't to justify or to exonerate it.
So far on the right wing media, Rush Limbaugh is refering to this as an act of Islamic terror. I heard something similar on Paul Harvey. That same act would not hve been called an act of Serbian terror if a young Serb had done these things.
I have NEVER in the U.S. seen any bad deed by a Serb in the U.S. dealt with the way that you were suggesting it would be if the perpetrator were a Serbian young person.
In neither the case of Serbs, Bosnian Muslims, Croats, Albanians from Kosovo, or any other South East European people talking about large numbers of people.
I doubt at this point, it will be Serbs that get blamed for this event, but the social situation of non-Mormons in Utah could well come under scrutiny.
So far on the right wing media, Rush Limbaugh is refering to this as an act of Islamic terror. I heard something similar on Paul Harvey. That same act would not hve been called an act of Serbian terror if a young Serb had done these things.
I have NEVER in the U.S. seen any bad deed by a Serb in the U.S. dealt with the way that you were suggesting it would be if the perpetrator were a Serbian young person.
In neither the case of Serbs, Bosnian Muslims, Croats, Albanians from Kosovo, or any other South East European people talking about large numbers of people.
I doubt at this point, it will be Serbs that get blamed for this event, but the social situation of non-Mormons in Utah could well come under scrutiny.
I don't know what drove this young man to commit murder; but I do have to say that a combination of having programs to better help refugees adjust to life in America, better understanding and care for people suffering from mental illnesses like depression, and more aggressive ways to combat school bullying are all greatly needed.
Whether it could help in this case-I don't know.
My heart goes out to the family of the victims and to his own family.
Re: "The truth is there are hints of it already even in the articles that make sure they don't mention his Muslim background."
-What does his religious background have to do with this case? There is absolutely nothing to indicate that this was a religiously motivated crime whatsoever. His religious background has no relevance to this case, just as if would have no relevance to the case if it was the exact same situation with the perpetrator being a young Serb instead of a Muslim.
And as for Rush Limbaugh and all other radio commentators who are trying to turn this case into a "Muslim terrorist" case and taking advantage of this horrific tragedy to incite hatred-all I have to say to that is shame.
Whether it could help in this case-I don't know.
My heart goes out to the family of the victims and to his own family.
Re: "The truth is there are hints of it already even in the articles that make sure they don't mention his Muslim background."
-What does his religious background have to do with this case? There is absolutely nothing to indicate that this was a religiously motivated crime whatsoever. His religious background has no relevance to this case, just as if would have no relevance to the case if it was the exact same situation with the perpetrator being a young Serb instead of a Muslim.
And as for Rush Limbaugh and all other radio commentators who are trying to turn this case into a "Muslim terrorist" case and taking advantage of this horrific tragedy to incite hatred-all I have to say to that is shame.
They either don't mention his "religion" (as in the first day or so) or they bring that into the story, now, and in the process (big surprise!) they try to justify and explain away his motives by putting the blame on the Serbs. Told ya.
http://juliagorin.com
(I suggest reading this at the website and checking out the links too.)
MSNBC: A Bosnian Kills Americans? Blame the Serbs!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
As if we couldn’t have seen this one coming. Just like when non-Balkan Muslims kill Americans, somehow the blame comes around to the Jews (because of the “Israeli occupation”). So now that a Balkan Muslim has killed Americans, the blame easily finds the Serbs (because of Srebrenica) — only at more lightning speed. Because if there’s one nationality that has even less PC protection than Jews, it’s the Serbs.
Look — it didn’t take long at all:
Cousin: Mall gunman survived Bosnian siege
Utah assailant said to have lived through massacre of 8,000 Muslims in ’95
CERSKA, Bosnia - The 18-year-old gunman who shot dead five people in a Salt Lake City shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia’s 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday.
Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday’s shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said.
They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Sulejman’s grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo said.
When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Sulejman and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo said.
…
“No one could have supposed that he was going to do such a thing,” Redzo said. “Who knows what made him do that?” He could not say what marks Sulejman’s childhood memories of wartime Bosnia had left on him.
I could say. Where do you think the toddler Talovici learned to use a gun? Try Srebrenica. (Warning: Graphic)
But back to the point about the Serb siege being a psychological motivator in the shooting: Yeah, Serbs had a bloody victory over the Muslims in Srebrenica instead of the other way around, so this guy decides he’s going to kill the Americans who helped his side. That makes a whole lot of sense.
But it’ll work. This was an easy Balkan-backfiring bullet for the media (which were partisan in that war) to dodge. Though look at all the reams of paper and quantity of cyberprint they’re using to explain this away, so no one draws any of their own conclusions. (You don’t have to read the thing — just look how long it is.) They’re working hard…
Meanwhile, about that 8,000 figure…yet again.
Anyway, I guess this makes it 8001, huh. Oh my fault, the bogus number is now already up to 8,300. Do I hear 9,000? 10,000? Going, going…
But let’s not dare question that number, because that would be, like, Holocaust denial, right? ‘Cause it’s not like Muslims have a habit of fabricating massacres, right? It’s not like they engineered the practice of digging up graves to pad a body count or anything like that, right?
http://juliagorin.com
(I suggest reading this at the website and checking out the links too.)
MSNBC: A Bosnian Kills Americans? Blame the Serbs!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
As if we couldn’t have seen this one coming. Just like when non-Balkan Muslims kill Americans, somehow the blame comes around to the Jews (because of the “Israeli occupation”). So now that a Balkan Muslim has killed Americans, the blame easily finds the Serbs (because of Srebrenica) — only at more lightning speed. Because if there’s one nationality that has even less PC protection than Jews, it’s the Serbs.
Look — it didn’t take long at all:
Cousin: Mall gunman survived Bosnian siege
Utah assailant said to have lived through massacre of 8,000 Muslims in ’95
CERSKA, Bosnia - The 18-year-old gunman who shot dead five people in a Salt Lake City shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia’s 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday.
Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday’s shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said.
They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Sulejman’s grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo said.
When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Sulejman and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo said.
…
“No one could have supposed that he was going to do such a thing,” Redzo said. “Who knows what made him do that?” He could not say what marks Sulejman’s childhood memories of wartime Bosnia had left on him.
I could say. Where do you think the toddler Talovici learned to use a gun? Try Srebrenica. (Warning: Graphic)
But back to the point about the Serb siege being a psychological motivator in the shooting: Yeah, Serbs had a bloody victory over the Muslims in Srebrenica instead of the other way around, so this guy decides he’s going to kill the Americans who helped his side. That makes a whole lot of sense.
But it’ll work. This was an easy Balkan-backfiring bullet for the media (which were partisan in that war) to dodge. Though look at all the reams of paper and quantity of cyberprint they’re using to explain this away, so no one draws any of their own conclusions. (You don’t have to read the thing — just look how long it is.) They’re working hard…
Meanwhile, about that 8,000 figure…yet again.
Anyway, I guess this makes it 8001, huh. Oh my fault, the bogus number is now already up to 8,300. Do I hear 9,000? 10,000? Going, going…
But let’s not dare question that number, because that would be, like, Holocaust denial, right? ‘Cause it’s not like Muslims have a habit of fabricating massacres, right? It’s not like they engineered the practice of digging up graves to pad a body count or anything like that, right?
@Owen,
I agree that schools need to have firm control over bullying and deal with it thoroughly. Absolutely! But bullying, under no circumstances, excuses murder, of the individual or mass type. I don't understand all the bleeding hearts that are sorry for someone who took it upon himself to just take other lives because he was bullied, for God's sake! Columbine OR Utah. If my son had a gun I would know about it, but if he somehow sneaked it behind my back and committed such an atrocity, I would be the first person to turn him in, and he knows it. We just don't have that kind of right over other people -- to take away their lives because someone made us feel bad about ourselves.
As for Sulejman in Utah, nobody knows yet what motivated him to turn himself into a mass murderer. Too bad they killed him. I would like to have seen him deeply questioned, but then a sharp lawyer would have given him the same defense as the news media are doing now.
I agree that schools need to have firm control over bullying and deal with it thoroughly. Absolutely! But bullying, under no circumstances, excuses murder, of the individual or mass type. I don't understand all the bleeding hearts that are sorry for someone who took it upon himself to just take other lives because he was bullied, for God's sake! Columbine OR Utah. If my son had a gun I would know about it, but if he somehow sneaked it behind my back and committed such an atrocity, I would be the first person to turn him in, and he knows it. We just don't have that kind of right over other people -- to take away their lives because someone made us feel bad about ourselves.
As for Sulejman in Utah, nobody knows yet what motivated him to turn himself into a mass murderer. Too bad they killed him. I would like to have seen him deeply questioned, but then a sharp lawyer would have given him the same defense as the news media are doing now.
Also I should have added in my original post, but I didn't-that tougher gun control and better enforcement of the existing laws are needed as well.
@blackbird, I finally DID get to see your blog, it's possible to go to it from Radmila's blog, but not from anyone elses. That's very odd. Why is that? I tried from Estavisti, from here and finally got there from Radmila's. I will give it a more indepth reading before commenting.
@ everyone, school bullying may not excuse people killing bunches of other people, but it still is a cause in some cases.
It's very hard for people ever to admit to ever having been bullied, or to having been a bully.
As for a kid having a gun, or guns, I have raised two kids who so far haven't committed mass murder, not as civilians nor in war time. In fact they didn't even get into the same number of fights at school as I did.
Back when I was a kid, if someone bullied you, you often had to respond physically. I was physically a rather small person and was routinely bullied at school. Eventually I took to the 'reemptive strike' method. You can blame Israel! :) After the 6 Day War, I realized that Pre-Emptive Strike would be a good game plan. We moved a lot when I was young, and that meant lots of new schools. I took to watching to see who was the bully, or were the bullies, and just do a sneak attack on one that outsized me. I'd wait for the right moment, but it would be within a few days of entering that school. Guess what? After I started to do that, I had WAY FEWER problems at school. I would get through my time in that place with no hassle from fellow students and damn little from teachers either for that matter. These days that plan would totally not work. These days your parents would have a lawsuit and you'd have endless trouble. Meanwhile you might still be bullied.
This kid might have had a problem whatever circumstances he grew up in.
I have to say that gun control laws in this country are not strong enough, and I can say too that parents often have NO clue what their kids are up to. Especially they may not know
what their sons are up to.
I have known an unfair share of depressed young men, for some reason the depressed friends of my son used to confide in me, and I tried to be of help.
There isn't enough help for parents at times like that, and the whole process of getting a kid old enough to object to a psychiatrist, a psychologist or a counselor can be very difficult.
There aren't enough counselors, psychiatrists, or psychologists even available.
Psychological treatment might have helped the guys at Columbine not turn into killers and might have helped this young man not turn into a killer.
Something has to have been wrong at school. The reason I say this is that one article says his mother pulled him from school. Normally people from the Balkans are very education minded. Normally they strongly push their kids to get a good education, and normally, whatever ethnicity, their kids put forth a lot of effort, and do well at school. I am speaking of all the main ethnicities, not any one ethnicity in particular.
@ everyone, school bullying may not excuse people killing bunches of other people, but it still is a cause in some cases.
It's very hard for people ever to admit to ever having been bullied, or to having been a bully.
As for a kid having a gun, or guns, I have raised two kids who so far haven't committed mass murder, not as civilians nor in war time. In fact they didn't even get into the same number of fights at school as I did.
Back when I was a kid, if someone bullied you, you often had to respond physically. I was physically a rather small person and was routinely bullied at school. Eventually I took to the 'reemptive strike' method. You can blame Israel! :) After the 6 Day War, I realized that Pre-Emptive Strike would be a good game plan. We moved a lot when I was young, and that meant lots of new schools. I took to watching to see who was the bully, or were the bullies, and just do a sneak attack on one that outsized me. I'd wait for the right moment, but it would be within a few days of entering that school. Guess what? After I started to do that, I had WAY FEWER problems at school. I would get through my time in that place with no hassle from fellow students and damn little from teachers either for that matter. These days that plan would totally not work. These days your parents would have a lawsuit and you'd have endless trouble. Meanwhile you might still be bullied.
This kid might have had a problem whatever circumstances he grew up in.
I have to say that gun control laws in this country are not strong enough, and I can say too that parents often have NO clue what their kids are up to. Especially they may not know
what their sons are up to.
I have known an unfair share of depressed young men, for some reason the depressed friends of my son used to confide in me, and I tried to be of help.
There isn't enough help for parents at times like that, and the whole process of getting a kid old enough to object to a psychiatrist, a psychologist or a counselor can be very difficult.
There aren't enough counselors, psychiatrists, or psychologists even available.
Psychological treatment might have helped the guys at Columbine not turn into killers and might have helped this young man not turn into a killer.
Something has to have been wrong at school. The reason I say this is that one article says his mother pulled him from school. Normally people from the Balkans are very education minded. Normally they strongly push their kids to get a good education, and normally, whatever ethnicity, their kids put forth a lot of effort, and do well at school. I am speaking of all the main ethnicities, not any one ethnicity in particular.
If you had trouble finding my blog, you only had to ask me what the address was. If you did ask, I didn't see it or I would have responded.
I think that there was a problem caused when I first signed on to start blogging in the regular blogspot format and then soon switched to beta. Somewhere in that process some of my links stopped working because often if you click on Blackbird it will take you to the first blog that I deleted when I switched to beta instead of the current blog -- I think it's something to do with two different passwords involved.
I think that there was a problem caused when I first signed on to start blogging in the regular blogspot format and then soon switched to beta. Somewhere in that process some of my links stopped working because often if you click on Blackbird it will take you to the first blog that I deleted when I switched to beta instead of the current blog -- I think it's something to do with two different passwords involved.
@blackbird, I signed on three years ago and had no similar problems on switching to Beta,and this sort of thing didn't happen to me. as Spock would say 'fascinating'.
Actually when I said I couldn't find any blog of yours the first time, that might have been a good time to include a link, frankly you're way more interesting than that Republican person you keep trying to get me to read. I don't agree with either of you but you at least are a better writer.
Actually when I said I couldn't find any blog of yours the first time, that might have been a good time to include a link, frankly you're way more interesting than that Republican person you keep trying to get me to read. I don't agree with either of you but you at least are a better writer.
I don't recall you asking me how to see my blog. I just remember you saying I should get my own blog. Had I had any clue that you wanted to read it, I would have given you the link.
I don't think that Julia Gorin is a Republican as such, but she is a conservative, for good reason.
I'm not quoting the following article with the remotest idea that you would want to post it since it doesn't follow the philosophy of thinking in your blog, but nevertheless you should read it no matter how much you disagree with me. Knowledge is power, you know. It's basically our only power. And self-delusion doesn't serve anyone well.
I suggest you read this on the actual website and follow any links. Julia is an exceedingly brave person who has her life threatened on a daily basis by Croats and Muslims for speaking the truth.
By the way, nobody who is consciously aware of the goings on in this world can discount the signifance of the fact that Sulejman was wearing a Wahabbi style beard.
http://juliagorin.com
Utah Shooter’s Father was Bosnian Soldier in War to Establish Islamic State in Europe!!!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
According to Townhall.com:
Young Sulejman, his three siblings, his mother Sabira and grandfather made the difficult journey on foot to Srebrenica, while his father, Suljo, hid in the mountains with other men from the village, relatives said.
The family was evacuated from Srebrenica, with the father “narrowly surviv[ing] the 1995 massacre” and rejoining the family later.
In Bosnian-Warspeak, “hid in the mountains with other men from the village” means his father was an Islamic fighter.
The pattern here appears to be that the father was consistently apart from the family, first having gone into the hills with “the rest of the men” while women, children and elderly went to safer places. It would make sense that the father fought in the village and then fought in Srebrenica.
For anyone who still doesn’t know, here is what the Bosniak fighters were doing in and around Srebrenica before the Serbs put an end to it. WARNING: graphic.
So here’s the question of the day: When he was being interviewed for asylum by the INS, did Suljo Talovic inform agents that he was a fighter and not a civilian? I think we can guess the answer.
Of course, in Islam there is little distinction between “soldier” and “civilian”, just as Islamists don’t make a distinction between soldiers and civilians among their enemies.
Then came this update from KSL Newsradio: “Father of Shooter Believes Someone Told His Son to Kill People”
…Suljo Talovic says no one who knew his son saw this coming, and he believes someone pushed him to do it.
Suljo Talovic doesn’t know where his son got the guns, or how he learned how to use them.
Suljo Talovic, Father of Shooter: “Somebody got (the gun)…and maybe (they were) training him and tell(ing) him (to), ‘go shoot somebody.’
So you think that somebody influenced him maybe to do this?
Suljo Talovic: “Yeah. I think somebody.”
…
Repeatedly, in a lengthy interview with KSL Newsradio, Talovic expressed the sentiment that someone trained and pushed his son to kill.
While the rest of the family here and in Bosnia keeps repeating that the kid was traumatized by the war (except for his aunt, who said that no one in the family had any “scars” from the war), here we have a father insisting his son must have been trained and provided with weapons. He could easily put this on the Bosnian War the way everyone else is doing, but instead he is preemptively putting a different prospect out there. What does the father suspect that the rest of us have yet to learn about this case?
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I'm not quoting the following article with the remotest idea that you would want to post it since it doesn't follow the philosophy of thinking in your blog, but nevertheless you should read it no matter how much you disagree with me. Knowledge is power, you know. It's basically our only power. And self-delusion doesn't serve anyone well.
I suggest you read this on the actual website and follow any links. Julia is an exceedingly brave person who has her life threatened on a daily basis by Croats and Muslims for speaking the truth.
By the way, nobody who is consciously aware of the goings on in this world can discount the signifance of the fact that Sulejman was wearing a Wahabbi style beard.
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Utah Shooter’s Father was Bosnian Soldier in War to Establish Islamic State in Europe!!!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
According to Townhall.com:
Young Sulejman, his three siblings, his mother Sabira and grandfather made the difficult journey on foot to Srebrenica, while his father, Suljo, hid in the mountains with other men from the village, relatives said.
The family was evacuated from Srebrenica, with the father “narrowly surviv[ing] the 1995 massacre” and rejoining the family later.
In Bosnian-Warspeak, “hid in the mountains with other men from the village” means his father was an Islamic fighter.
The pattern here appears to be that the father was consistently apart from the family, first having gone into the hills with “the rest of the men” while women, children and elderly went to safer places. It would make sense that the father fought in the village and then fought in Srebrenica.
For anyone who still doesn’t know, here is what the Bosniak fighters were doing in and around Srebrenica before the Serbs put an end to it. WARNING: graphic.
So here’s the question of the day: When he was being interviewed for asylum by the INS, did Suljo Talovic inform agents that he was a fighter and not a civilian? I think we can guess the answer.
Of course, in Islam there is little distinction between “soldier” and “civilian”, just as Islamists don’t make a distinction between soldiers and civilians among their enemies.
Then came this update from KSL Newsradio: “Father of Shooter Believes Someone Told His Son to Kill People”
…Suljo Talovic says no one who knew his son saw this coming, and he believes someone pushed him to do it.
Suljo Talovic doesn’t know where his son got the guns, or how he learned how to use them.
Suljo Talovic, Father of Shooter: “Somebody got (the gun)…and maybe (they were) training him and tell(ing) him (to), ‘go shoot somebody.’
So you think that somebody influenced him maybe to do this?
Suljo Talovic: “Yeah. I think somebody.”
…
Repeatedly, in a lengthy interview with KSL Newsradio, Talovic expressed the sentiment that someone trained and pushed his son to kill.
While the rest of the family here and in Bosnia keeps repeating that the kid was traumatized by the war (except for his aunt, who said that no one in the family had any “scars” from the war), here we have a father insisting his son must have been trained and provided with weapons. He could easily put this on the Bosnian War the way everyone else is doing, but instead he is preemptively putting a different prospect out there. What does the father suspect that the rest of us have yet to learn about this case?
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